All MetalShaping

Go Back   All MetalShaping > General Metal Shaping Discussion > General Discussion
  Today's Posts Posts for Last 7 Days Posts for Last 14 Days  

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-09-2018, 08:09 AM
Jon Thompson Jon Thompson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 91
Default Artz press

OK guys and girls who out there has information/experience with an ARTZ PRESS? Jon
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-09-2018, 08:10 AM
Jon Thompson Jon Thompson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 91
Default http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/artz/artz.htm

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/artz/artz.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-09-2018, 12:18 PM
crystallographic crystallographic is offline
MetalShaper of the Month October '14 , April '16, July 2020, Jan 2023
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western Sierra Nevadas, Badger Hill, CA
Posts: 4,388
Default

Fore-runner of the stretch press.
yes, there are shops using them today.
__________________
Kent

http://www.tinmantech.com

"All it takes is a little practical experience to blow the he!! out of a perfectly good theory." --- Lloyd Rosenquist, charter member AWS, 1919.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-09-2018, 02:36 PM
Jon Thompson Jon Thompson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 91
Default Thanks

Kent for some reason I did not pick up on the edge clamping and the buck or die coming upward stretching the sheet. I was aware of that process via Kirkham. They pull the flat sheet to yield first then FORM the aluminum piece. The steel must be very stressed? Thanks Jon
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-09-2018, 02:39 PM
Jon Thompson Jon Thompson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 91
Default Link Kirkham

http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/aoe_18.pdf

Not sure but they may have transitioned to Thermo Forming? Jon
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-10-2018, 01:51 PM
crystallographic crystallographic is offline
MetalShaper of the Month October '14 , April '16, July 2020, Jan 2023
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western Sierra Nevadas, Badger Hill, CA
Posts: 4,388
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Thompson View Post
http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/aoe_18.pdf

Not sure but they may have transitioned to Thermo Forming? Jon

Hi Jon,
The article you reference sure looks to me like the "all-aluminum" model specifically requested by Larry Ellison -
https://jalopnik.com/5385797/how-to-...aluminum-cobra

They go to a lot of lengths on that "prototype" while a fleet of fresh cobra cars are sitting all around. Good for sales, but some extreme methods - like polishing a door just to file it out? Heck, I've taken a boattail Duesenberg body to 24,000 grit MicroMesh to polish it, and we quit filing at around 180 grit because our billet aluminum sanding blocks made a faster job of perfect. And I used the fine print in the Yellow pages for a reflection test - a way more definitive reflection test than Autoweek ...

I'm not a fan of pick hammers or bullseye knockers.

I like their use of slappers - Kirkham bought a lot of stuff from us back in the years when the brothers were first setting up ... They likely now make their own versions of some hand tools over there.

Soot annealing is not "exact" in its temperatures, but when done properly is good enough.
That car is being made backwards in some areas because it is a one-off and they want "perfect." Ellison told them the first quoted price was not high enough, and to add another few hundred K$. So, you see great lengths being done when there is no production shop that would make a Cobra in that manner, that I could possibly think of.

"blow forming" sheet aluminum is a very nice process, and may now be called "Thermo forming" but it is simply "hot flowing" sheet with hot gas. Specific to aluminum and uses pretty much one alloy - 5086.


Yes, for Artz pressing the steel must be a soft draw quality temper and it ends up nice and hard. Think Model T cowls, and a host of other makes and models of that era.


Now back to work ...
__________________
Kent

http://www.tinmantech.com

"All it takes is a little practical experience to blow the he!! out of a perfectly good theory." --- Lloyd Rosenquist, charter member AWS, 1919.

Last edited by crystallographic; 09-10-2018 at 01:55 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-11-2018, 02:57 AM
Jon Thompson Jon Thompson is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 91
Default Blow Forming

In the process of Blow Forming (Thermo Forming) is the hot gas used to displace atmosphere to prevent penetration in to the material when in a plastic state? I provided the link to Kirkham as a reference to the connection I had made to the Artz press. Not meant to inflame or cause problems. I certainly respect your opinions and your work. Thanks Jon
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-11-2018, 12:09 PM
crystallographic crystallographic is offline
MetalShaper of the Month October '14 , April '16, July 2020, Jan 2023
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western Sierra Nevadas, Badger Hill, CA
Posts: 4,388
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Thompson View Post
In the process of Blow Forming (Thermo Forming) is the hot gas used to displace atmosphere to prevent penetration in to the material when in a plastic state? I provided the link to Kirkham as a reference to the connection I had made to the Artz press. Not meant to inflame or cause problems. I certainly respect your opinions and your work. Thanks Jon

Hi Jon,
Using hot gas on hot sheet (plastics like Lexan or Lucite, and some aluminum) cause shapes to be formed, like blowing bubbles or blowing glass.


I was just making observations on the Kirkham film.
Kirkham uses the stretch press in different ways.
Sheet shaping is like skinning catfish - lots of ways available.
__________________
Kent

http://www.tinmantech.com

"All it takes is a little practical experience to blow the he!! out of a perfectly good theory." --- Lloyd Rosenquist, charter member AWS, 1919.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:58 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.