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Old 07-05-2011, 04:19 AM
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This guy bought my DVD about a year ago. He had videos up then that were even worse!. He has tried to copy some of the techniques I show but he obviously does not have any hand coordination, understanding of the material or control over the tools! the amount of marks he puts into the metal is totally unnecessary. It is a shame that he does not learn metalshaping before he tries to show others. The unfortunate thing about this is that people will go away with the idea that this is how its done and that the results are what can be achieved.

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Old 07-05-2011, 05:15 AM
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the best info on that page is in that site. interesting Eckold techniques and remarkable results. certainly a place to visit. thanks for posting the link.
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:11 AM
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Thanks for the link. Nice find
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:29 AM
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http://www.martelleria.de

the best info on that page is in that site. interesting Eckold techniques and remarkable results. ...
I looked at most everything but didn't see any Eckold techniques. Not being able to read the text, I might have missed a link. Can you post the link that had them?
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Old 07-06-2011, 04:44 AM
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Default eckold tech on the oldtimer TV site

http://www.oldtimer-tv.com/oldtimer/....php?Seite=106

hi Kerry, the video showing the Eckold techniques is above. you may have already seen it if you watched all the videos on the page. under that video there is a link to the German company i mentioned before. I finally after years dynabolted my KF665 to the floor. now I can run at 600 strokes a minute without the machine chasing us around the workshop.
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Old 07-06-2011, 06:09 AM
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Thanks Tony. Good stuff.

Saw a hand work technique you don't see too often. Did you notice the guy hitting what looked like a plastic (UHMW) corking tool on the top of the door skin? Did you notice he was holding it 'upside down', that is his thumb was down rather than up.

Years ago, my Dad taught me to hold tools that way because if you miss with the hammer (and you will), the blow would hit the fleshy edge of your hand instead of the bones in your thumb.
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Old 07-06-2011, 08:52 AM
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The finished door skin looks good, but once again an arsenal of huge, ultra expensive, heavy equipment used to make a part that does'nt appear to be too hard to shape with hand tools and a wheel.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:48 AM
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I agree with you there but its interesting that although they have the hand tools and wheeling machines at their disposal they have invested in this process for the desired result. probably for uniformity. Those guys are pretty clever and that door skin has some challenges. Its rare to see the the European method.

By recording the machine speed, the pressure indicator, tracking pattern and handling speed you can work out a formula and repeat results. Operating a kraftformer doesn't take alot of effort either. They develop shape quick but at a speed your brain can keep up with (most of the time). Just don't mix up the pedals for the tool lift when you want to go up!
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Good point Tony, I forgot about the precise settings and repeatibility of the Eckold Kraftformers. I also forgot that they might want to make duplicate parts. I am going to try to quit being a critic: as you said these quys are plenty clever, as are most that make a living in this line of work.
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Old 07-13-2011, 01:49 PM
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For those of us that don't speak German, if you go to that site using google chrome, it will ask if you want it to translate for you. Makes for easier reading.
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