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Old 08-09-2020, 01:36 AM
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Put me down for cranberry Jack. Either way will look great though. I just like the interaction of the two different colors.
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Old 08-09-2020, 04:21 PM
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Both looks great and my vote would be on black.
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Old 08-09-2020, 06:39 PM
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Gday Jack,

1st choice Cranberry 2nd choice Black both will look good but as the Cranberries have said - "Go your own way"
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Old 08-09-2020, 07:03 PM
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.....as the Cranberries have said - "Go your own way"

Haaa! The Cranberries did remake that Fleetwood Mac song! Appropriate, and clever.
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Old 08-09-2020, 08:53 PM
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I need to take the roof off the car to finish the rear deck, but first I need to get a handle on the side windows. I started with the upper window seal and the stainless trim strips that hold them in. They mount to the roof along the window opening. In the first picture you can see the top one is in the original shape that fit the CTS.

The lower one was carefully bent by hand using heat. Small closely spaced hot spots, bend slowly and allow the softened metal push into itself. If it starts to bulge, stop and let it cool. Move to the next bend. If you get to the end of the area that the bend will be in and it needs more bend, just repeat the process heating the metal in between the previous set of hot spots.


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I used a small hammer and various chisels, punches, and post dollies to smooth it out. Then sand and polish.


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Both sides finished and seal installed for test fit.


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Old 08-09-2020, 09:53 PM
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I really , really didn't want to use vent windows on this car. I think they hurt the smooth design and I hate to stray from the original renderings. I know that an overall sleek design is due to hundreds of small details working together. Vent windows are no small deal.

A while back I started test fitting the window regulators and a plywood template of the glass. I was having problems getting the window to roll down. It would go 2/3 down, then the rear lower corner would hit the back of the door frame because of the angle of the tracks and A pillar. When I was shaping the doors, I thought I had covered this. I rounded and shortened the rear edge of the door to shorten the window opening by a couple inches.


Anyway, I'm left with two options; live with only being able to roll the windows 2/3 down (total butcher/hack job) or install vent windows that deviate from the ultra smooth look of the renderings, but allow the side glass to go straight up and down. (All the way down)
So, I picked up these vent windows for a 57 Merc. The angle looked right. I knew they'd be too tall but the biggest consideration was matching the angle of the A pillar as closely as possible. I think they'll work.


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I removed the old weatherstrips and the vent window frame so it could be cut down.


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Next I set it in place to get a look. It's WAAAY too wide. It takes up too much window area. It needs to be shortened and narrowed.


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I cut about 2" from the circled areas where the side glass run channel bolts on to narrow it.


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Much better.Next I cut the vent window frame. I took 2" out of the height in the area where the lower pivot hing bolts on so the hinge would hide the weld. Then I trimmed the upper and lower ends of the vent window frame to fit.I'll leave the main frame (blue arrow) in chrome because it will meet up with the chrome trim along the top edge of the side glass, but I think I will black out the run channel and vent window frame so it sort of blends in and doesn't look so cluttered.


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Old 08-14-2020, 08:59 AM
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I'm so excited to see the end product!
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Nice save! Seems we always need a plan B.... Not that it HAS to be used, but just in case...
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Old 08-15-2020, 08:49 PM
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This is why I really wanted to eliminate the vent windows.When I did my 57 Chevy, I only chopped this car 1 1/2". It looks like more but that's all I cut out. Removing the vent made the side glass longer which gives the appearance of the roof being lower without looking like it was stepped on.
This roof was a swap from a 59 Chevy 2 door sedan. The rake on the rear window also adds to the illusion. But, unfortunately, it's not in the cards for the Cadillac. I can black out the vertical run channel and the vent window frame to minimize them but I have to use vent windows on this one.


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Moving on. Here are the cuts I made to narrow and lower the vents. Older cars (pre 1969) had various shaped vent windows, triangles, rectangles, and variations of trapeziums such as this one. If you place your cuts carefully, it will save you a lot of work later.

One important consideration is to avoid relocating the pivot points if possible. In this case the pivot points are where the (red arrows) are.

First I cut off the main frame horizontal bar and lower perch to narrow the frame. (Green arrows) Then I cut the weather seal. I cut the seal just below the lower pivot point so the seam would be less visible. (Blue arrows)
Next I cut the window frame also right below the lower pivot point (Pink arrow), removed a section and welded it back together. I cut below the pivot point so I wouldn't have to relocate the pivot pin and potentially screw up the geometry. After that I assembled everything and trimmed off the ends of the window frame for a good fit.


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Back together and operates properly.


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The gap below the window frame will not be seen since it is below the belt line. I'll still make a filler panel out of stainless sheet for it so the lower window seal has a place to sit.


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I made some templates for the windows out of some scrap plexiglass. Be very accurate when making templates for windows. If you're wrong, you still have to pay your glass guy for your mistake.
The original windows were .225" thick. The gasket material on the left is .030" thick. As is, the glass and gasket fit snugly in the frames but I think new modern glass is closer to .200" thick meaning I may have to get thicker gasket material. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.



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Everything fits and functions well.


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Good fit on the left side also.


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Old 08-23-2020, 07:47 PM
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I finished the vent windows and got sidetracked while I was working on the doors. I wanted to see what I was in for trying to adapt the CTS door interior trim panels. The shape of the 49 is basically a rectangle and the CTS panels are wedge shaped. The rear of the CTS door is angled and the 49 is vertical.

What I'm trying to do is cut away the perimeter of the trim panel, modify it to fit the 49 door, then place the center section unaltered into the perimeter and fill the gaps
Below is a picture of the left side trim panel fully assembled still. You can see the wedge shape and angle of the rear edge. Also notice that all the design features intersect with each other. The grab bar, the upper and lower appliques, the lower applique merges into the speaker grill, etc.. It would be futile to try to relocate any of this. everything was designed to work together. Changing that would make an uncoordinated mess.
This is one of the many potential obstacles that have been rattling around in my head since I started this project, so I wanted to see if it could be done cleanly.
At this time I'm only going to do the right side so I know whether it can be done. I shouldn't even be spending time with this right now. I need to finish the bodywork and get paint on this thing before the weather turns to crap.


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First I disassembled the trim panel. Everything off. Then I stripped the vinyl off the main panel and started removing and reshaping the flange along the perimeter one edge at a time. I had to establish location for each guide pin and fastener, and allow room for the weather seal along the door jamb. It takes time.



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The top bar had to be shortened in front and back. I was able to peel the upholstery back, trim the plastic, then lay the original upholstery back down. It isn't glued yet but it fits.


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You can see that most of the perimeter is snapped in place. The front section isn't finished yet. That triangle indentation at the top of the front piece is to mate with the side of the dashboard. It needs to be moved up about 4 inches.


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