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Old 01-31-2018, 01:14 AM
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Been reading this thread since about a year back and like some others said, awesome job with everything. Have learned a ton here on allmetalshaping and this thread is filled with knowledge.

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Old 01-31-2018, 08:41 PM
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Still moving pretty slow but I'm feeling better every day. I got the welds covered on both fenders and put some epoxy primer on them. I need to take the front sheet metal off so I can start transferring the front suspension from the CTS to the 49. Before I tear down the front end I need to make a temporary fixture so I know where the inner edge of the fenders are and the centerline of the car up high near where the strut towers will be. It needs to be light, simple and removable so I need to see if I can find some conduit or 3/4 angle around here.
I have a lot of measuring and fixture set up to do for this front end. It won't be a direct swap since the CTS is wider than the 49. I have a few options on narrowing the front but I want to know exactly how much I need to narrow before I decide how I'll do it. So, I will set up both cars with the front suspension loaded and get accurate flange to flange measurements and start checking how much wheel offset can be changed in order to get it set up right. That's about a week's work right there at the speed I'm moving.

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Old 01-31-2018, 10:54 PM
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That roadster is looking really good Jack! Thanks for showing your work.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:23 AM
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Jack, are planning on using the rack from the CTS or one from another car to keep bump steer reasonable?

Your Caddy is looking fantastic!!
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:08 AM
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Mike, there can't be ANY bump steer. I will be using an air ride system that will raise and lower ride height. Toe has to remain constant throughout the whole range of travel. I have to see exactly how much I need to narrow. That will determine which method I'll use. There are a few options, some are much more work than the others. As for the rack, If I don't need a lot and don't have to cut the cradle and move the control arm pivot points, then the CTS rack will be fine, I can just shorten the control arms and and tie rod ends, move the strut towers inboard and it's done If I need more and have to narrow the cradle, I know that the ATS rack is narrower than the CTS but haven't checked on how much narrower. This is why I said I have a LOT of measuring to do. I can also drop about 2" of width if I have my front wheels made with an inch narrower offset. Many options and many different ways to pick up an inch here and an inch there.
I'm going to cover all this in detail when I figure out which direction I'll be going in. I didn't want to muddy it up for the new guys because it is somewhat complex. I'm going to show what is involved and what needs to be considered when altering steering and suspension.
I learned a lot of this when I was setting up our race car suspension over 30 years ago. We bought an Alston tube chassis and with it came a chassis tuning guide. Probably the most comprehensive book on high performance chassis setup and tuning I've ever come across. Much to think about. I'm heading out to the garage right now.
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Old 02-01-2018, 11:49 AM
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I should have known that you'd be aware of that. So many aren't and haven't a clue as how to check toe curves. I remember your Camaro drag car, it was nice and it was right!
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Old 02-01-2018, 12:47 PM
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Looking forward to seeing the suspension and frame design and fabrication! The body work details were helpful!

Thanks for taking the time to document your work and share it with the rest of us!

Hopefully you're on the upswing from the flu.

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Old 02-01-2018, 01:48 PM
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... I remember your Camaro drag car, it was nice and it was right!

I wanted to PM this but couldn't figure out how to add pics in a PM. I found some old pics of when I was building the Camaro. A lot of it is when I was making the ground effects. This was somewhere in the early 80's. Pro Mod bodies were not out yet. Nobody had anything like it. I remember about a year after the car was finished, Larry Nance got his new Camaro and saw us in the pits. He came up and said "I thought I had the coolest Camaro out here....Til now".


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Old 02-01-2018, 02:13 PM
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Old 02-01-2018, 10:25 PM
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wow Jack love the Camaro also ,want to do some ground effects on my first gen in metal whenever I can get the actual body fixed ,not gonna be a race car in a sense hopefully a pro touring style restomod ,we'll see have had the car since 2009 stripped the car then got hurt 3 months later and sat till the 1st of the year when my son shot it in epoxy and switched it with his car that was outside hopefully after he's is done he'll do mine,Randy
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