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Dutch and David have both helped me on this forum and I am glad I found this forum. Dutch gave me some good pointers on fixing the door on the truck in my avatar. Even though I didn't want to cut the bottom out to fix all that warpage in my huge HAZ. David takes the time to share his knowledge on a project I was working on even PM a certain way of doing what I had to do. At my age I don't give a $hit if anyone sees my mistakes. Just not all of them..
I am thankful to all who take the time to post and take the pictures that teaches me a little more.If only I could remember all that stuff I knew when I was 18 and knew it all? Gerry in Colorado
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This came up sorta similarly on the thread for the Gatormeet as well: Quote:
A possible way to get new folks past this might be to bump some previous projects that were done with minimal hand tools back to the top, with a new tag, like: " Here's a good beginner project revisited" Those of you out there who make videos, maybe you could consider a short project using minimal tools. I know both Peter and David stress simple hand tools, and do it quite well, inmho. However, the projects in many videos are generally larger in scope, such as piece that fits a fender accurately, or an entire fender. Many new members could benefit immensly from pounding out, say, a motorcycle type fender or a hood scoop (neither of which should have to fit anything) and could be done little more with a snips, pliers, a hammer, and a hard place using the side of an old desktop computer case for material. Those simple skills are already covered in many existing videos, however they are sometimes lost within a larger daunting and often overwhelming larger context.
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Mark from Illinois Last edited by weldtoride; 05-08-2014 at 11:45 AM. |
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Originally Posted by KAD ......So many people seem interested but so few seem to be able to get past the "tool buying/ building stage"..... That's funny. I remember Capt Kirk getting all carried away building out of the box tools when he first joined MM. That said, his point is well taken. We have, and the FORUMS have ALWAYS had (since I got involved in 2001) a large percentage of new members who were looking for that magic metal shaping tool that will make it easy....that 'instant metal shaping tool'. Much time and money was expended when they realized they still had to learn and practice, they went away. Wray Schelin called them "Comets". A bright spot for a few weeks and then gone. Many others get with the program and become metalshapers. I figure it's about 25% of total membership. All that aside, some of us have earned the right to own and talk about tools. Some of us are serious shapers but are still working on building a tool chest. I worked on a gravel driveway for decades but guess what, I'm past that now and I'm going to use my air conditioned smooth concrete floored shop. My body just won't let me swing a hammer all day. I can do it all by hand but ya know now that I know how the metal has to move, God has allowed tools to be created to allow me to trade money for time and save my body. If someone wants to get their panties in a wad about it, just don't read that thread. I still preach the gospel of learn hand methods first. Those who attended the seminar at Dan's last week heard it. And one new member came up later and thanked me for saving him 20 Grand that he was going to spend on tools he didn't yet know how to use.
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How fortunate we are to have this site for sharing thoughts and ideas on how to form sheet metal.
It is with tools of different sizes and shapes that makes this manipulation possible. With the outstanding number of talented and willing people who frequent this site, it is no wonder why there are so many new people wanting to join. Not only is the opportunity to learn metal shaping available here but also the information on the tools necessary to do so. One of the first statements I make when teaching a class is that “All we are doing is taking a rock and hitting the material against another rock” meaning that over the many, many years of people shaping metal, the tools to do so have become more and more refined, until we have arrived at what is used today. With the sharing on this forum I have seen new and different tools used in ways that make the job easier. Last year we lost one of the best fabricators I have ever had the pleasure of knowing and learning from. His name was Phil Remington.https://www.google.com/search?q=phil...w=1586&bih=741 One of the most memorable things he said to me was “ the sign of a true craftsman is one who builds his own tools”. Unfortunately he worked for only two people while I knew him, Carroll Shelby and Dan Gurney. What I am getting at is that by working in a small number of shops there was little to no opportunity for someone to learn from one of the best in the field. Because of this forum, however, there is the opportunity for many to learn what several on this site have taken a lifetime to learn. The point that I am trying to make is that “knowledge is wealth”. Another way to say this is knowledge is a commodity. Ron Covell, Lazz, Gene Winfield, and many others who are on this site have spent a lifetime learning this craft and have gotten to a point where they are cogent enough to offer what they know to others whether it be by video, the written word, or by offering classes. Getting paid for teaching is not offensive to me. Jere
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Like I said, I have nothing against tools, Pop and I own more than we should.
Just gets tiresome you expect to see metalshaping and you swear you opened up practical machinist instead I know, double my money back if not fully satisfied! time to go untwist my knickers
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Back in the 60's and 70's I built wooden boats on the Chesapeake Bay. That was during what I call the revolution, when lots of young people were moving to the country and getting into the old time crafts—some of them into building boats.
I began to notice pretty quickly that among these back to the earth people there were two types of boat builders. There were real boat builders and there were tool collectors. The real boat builders generally had a few old, high quality tools, while the tool collectors had every new thing that made it into a tool catalog. Needless to say, the tool collectors built very few boats. They were mostly great people. I enjoyed having them in town. I was sorry when they began drifting back to the cities and getting jobs. But I was a bit disappointed that they built no boats.
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As for the machine threads I like them very much, I read every thread I can on making machines and on how various machines work. I don't think everyone needs every machine but I always enjoy seeing what is possible and if people enjoy building machines that's great. I like the fact that Kerry, Joe, Richard and others strive to make machines that can be built by most people with a limited amount of skills and equipment. I am all ways impressed by the imagination that goes into these home made machines. I think the balance of threads is pretty good on the forum. Newcomers should never be afraid to post their work and questions, I know the more experienced on here always try to advise. We don't always agree on the way to do a thing but that's normal. It gives a wide perspective on any subject. David
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It would be interesting to know how many novice shapers make their own hammers /dollies and other hand tools.
I have a few favourites that I have paid for but I have made plenty. Admittedly you need a lathe but car guys generally do. I found it cuts cost massively, my hammers cost $7 for a handle and the rest is scrap, something to think about. I get a kick out of using them as well. jim
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the only reason i'm building tools is because i just took wrays class... I realized I had nothing I needed (wheel, stake post, proper stump) I'll be shaping soon. i know theres a sea of new talent out there because I see it on instagram and other social media. For the beginner like me, its a bit nerve racking to throw my meidocre work out there. I'll post more though.
I guess i am in the minority and don't care what I see as long as its shaping related. Maybe its because im green, but Building tools related to shaping is just as exciting as seeing insane shaping threads. my 2 cents.
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I spent this week making a new anvil and holder for doing flat panels. If you have a pullmax style machine it seems like you are always making tools. Tool posts will always be a big part of a metalshaping forum and I sure hope they don't go away!!
I've been on posting any of my work latlly. I have been doing alot this year. I just need to start taking pictures. Never to late to start.
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