Richard so glad you swatted the fly , did my head in as I kept thinking that it was real and on my screen. The number of times I tried to flick it of the screen.
And to the point your contributions to this forum in my opinion are priceless because I believe they are very informative ie your knowledge of history of metal shaping and automobile and the fact that you will question why is someone taking a particular approach to a job . As Joe H say's ( bad quote here ) there are many roads into town ( add my twist " but which is the right one").
On a final note please don't take this as me being against Richard , Johnny and David but I have just started a thread on building a rep machine , but I totally agree that you should learn to work metal by hand . But at coming up to 38 years young both my wrist's are about f!!! every man on both side's of my family have bad arthritis in there hands/ fingers , the biggest passions in my life are my wife , daughter , playing the guitar/piano/ shaping and making things out of metal.I guess what I am saying is it's real important to know how to work metal by hand but there comes a time when you have to respect your body and work clever not hard.