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Old 07-26-2020, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pplace View Post
It’s very tough for me to add input, as I’m all self taught and I go after each project I do in a trial and error type method. However, my initial reaction to the very basics (or order of operations) that you are curious about would be:

First let’s break the flare down into four descriptions so we are on the same page (starting at the body and working to the wheel lip)

1. The reverse curve that attaches / blends to the quarter panel.
2. The flare itself (the width it extends from the quarter)
3. The wheel opening
4. The wheel opening lip

In a very basic description, only how I think I’d do this....

A. Cut out your sheet metal blank according to your paper pattern (Not too much excess, as that is just more material you have to try to shape, shrink, stretch)
B. Work on shaping and fitting the flare portion to fit your wire buck or frame.
C. Add your reverse curve to the outside perimeter of the flare to match / blend into your quarter panel. Adjust and tweak the flare and the reverse curve so it fits the wire frame without stress.
D. With the flare and reverse curve fitting the wire frame without pressure, mark or trace the edge for the body line where you will tip down to create the wheel opening.
E. Again, adjust and tweak the flare, reverse curve and wheel opening to fit the wire frame. Each “feature” you add to the part makes it trickier you go back and adjust the previous steps (think of it as kind of “locking in” the shape a bit)
F. When all three of those are fitting the wire frame correctly, again trace or mark on the wheel opening where you need to tip to create the wheel opening lip.


Thanks for the step by step. That's a great opinion and approach.

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Originally Posted by drivejunk View Post
Dane said it well, about putting one's self in the other guy's shoes. And I am sort of picking up what Jaro is saying. Not everyone has the luxury of unlimited patience and the amount of labor required to learn to do this in one piece, from where you stand, regardless of your limitless dedication to learning the technicalities and fundamentals... patterns, bucks, fibers, and what not... seems absolutely ridiculous. Stupid, from where I stand. But some folks are willing. My motivation comes from a job, not a hobby. So I learn on the fly without weeks of internet research and study. The advice reflects that.

I didn't realize you had a wire buck under the thing. That might be holding you back. I thought you were planning a flat around the lip. During the week, there isn't time for me to absorb everything but I tried. I think you can see though, that I recognized my / our novice limitations and that those are valid.

Understanding now about the lip, my advice about multiple pieces would change. Fast forward to now, and what I see is what I am usually told when I ask about wheeling: Keep going. In other words, you don't have enough depth in the 11-15 area, out near the numbers yet. And if it was me, I'd clamp it in that vise about where 8 would be and I would twist the whole thing a little. Then I'd open the jaws up, lay it over those and hit the backside because more bend is needed toward the front than you'll get by wheeling til doomsday.

Thats one reason I said the wire buck may hold you back. Imagine the part already attached to the quarter and what you would do at the lip to change the contour, instead of the other way around. That might provide the "A-ha!" for you.

I would also suggest that doing this the dumb way, in pieces, may provide necessary insight for you to build on that could enable you to graduate to a single piece version. A welded piece is no less a piece than one not. The only difference is bragging rights and frankly I think that is the main objective here, with this. So if you want to make a flare, I can probably help. If you want to fit in among the self proclaimed elite, you're on your own. We have communicated plenty in recent years for us to get a feel of one anothers' personalities.

All that having been said, dude just get a photo resizer app. I did. Because my device situation is complex like yours. But yeah, thats all you need to make that simpler, man. I am not going to suggest one, I just picked a well-rated free one from the ocean of resizing apps available for my type of phone, that had the desired features. Ended up rarely using it because I had to get away from this site before egos got the best of me. I am here now because yes, to some degree I took you under my wing a little. I'm a Pontiac nut and bodywork specialist. Could I make a flare? The only way the world could find out is for me to get a customer request.

Again, good luck. Hip shooting with no formal training here. Give it hell, Schroeder. I'd like to see a mark in your win column. And I just invested another hour of prime weekend trying to assist you. Make it count!
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Originally Posted by drivejunk View Post
I'll go another here, because you all know how it is... the answer often lies in walking away once the big picture is had, to let the mind digest input. After awhile, then it spits out something useful. What I mean is this-

Theres jaw marks all up and down both pieces and I hear you asking about deep something or another, but, putting myself in your shoes... I don't think jaws are even part of this intial stage of shaping. 19 gauge is thin to me, not something you want to stretch a bunch. To me, I say. But everything you are needing to do here is stretch. You are making a desired bulge first, then telling edges where to be.

So its not so much that a place here or there needs shrinking, its that the whole rest of the part needs stretching. To varied degrees. The part that needs shrunk is what to leave alone, the rest is stretch.

Just an afterthought. But it just dawned on me that no, I don't think I would have used jaws at all yet. Right or wrong, theres that. Hope theres some sense in it.
Thanks, IDJ. There have been a lot of comments in here making me feel more comfortable with cutting it. I guess when I started the job I thought that was lowly, wrong, or hillbilly-ish. I'm probably gonna end up cutting it in two. The angling the face in below the body line is giving me fits. I'll keep you posted. In the mean time here's better pics of the buck. Maybe that'll give you guys insight to provide more help too.

I'll try to not beat this to death and just go get it done now whether it's done in 1 piece or 5. Thank you all for your help thus far.

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