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Old 05-28-2022, 11:23 AM
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Default Barre handheld planishing hammer

I am selling a Barre handheld planishing hammer with one hoop. Comes with one upper die and 1 lower and adapter. Seems to work fine. I just tested it. 1500.00 plus Shipping. 218-591-3478 call or text.
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Old 05-28-2022, 06:22 PM
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Old 05-28-2022, 07:54 PM
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is this the one on eBay?
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Old 05-31-2022, 12:29 PM
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ADD PHOTOS, please??

(Personally, I've always wondered if the Barre planishers were mfgd in Wilkes Barre?)
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Old 05-31-2022, 01:24 PM
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eBay link to Barre Planishing Hammer, almost the same price so I'm assuming it's the same one-

http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/3044...kAAOSwF4RiVr1a

It's one configuration of The Barre Pneumatic Tool manufactured by Trow & Holden in Barre (pronounced berry, not bar) VT. It's the same company making the same pneumatic hammers that I've used for decades. The original The Barre Pneumatic Tool (one here on desk by computer) had rear exhaust and completely different configuration than those that followed with side exhaust, fingertip or Dallet profile, etc. They're still in business and may be some resource for rebuilding that motor, but I doubt they would offer other special bits that aren't easily machined. http://www.trowandholden.com Currently they also manufacture the pneumatic stone carving hammers marketed by the other stamped brands- Bicknell and (I believe) Granite City Tool/Dallet- who no longer manufacture their own tools.

I've seen pics of these planishing hammers in old T&H catalogs, but not in person. It's stamped Size C, which makes me curious. That specification usually describes the length of piston travel, with B considered a short stroke (soft stone) and D considered a long stroke (hard stone) in regards to stone carving hammers. This original design 100+yr old hand machine I have here is stamped Size A, but I haven't carved with it. They made a variety of air motors for the stone and similar industries- including some for scary work that modern day OSHA doesn't tolerate. Long before OSHA, the granite cutters Union in Barre helped make that so...

Very Cool planishing hammer. I would love to have one, just to have one. But I haven't got that much unneeded & unused $$ at present...

Edit- corrected details regarding letter Size and name of Tool vs Hammer
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eBay link to Barre Planishing Hammer, almost the same price so I'm assuming it's the same one-

http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/3044...kAAOSwF4RiVr1a

It's one configuration of The Barre Pneumatic Tool manufactured by Trow & Holden in Barre (pronounced berry, not bar) VT. It's the same company making the same pneumatic hammers that I've used for decades. The original The Barre Pneumatic Tool (one here on desk by computer) had rear exhaust and completely different configuration than those that followed with side exhaust, fingertip or Dallet profile, etc. They're still in business and may be some resource for rebuilding that motor, but I doubt they would offer other special bits that aren't easily machined. http://www.trowandholden.com Currently they also manufacture the pneumatic stone carving hammers marketed by the other stamped brands- Bicknell and (I believe) Granite City Tool/Dallet- who no longer manufacture their own tools.

I've seen pics of these planishing hammers in old T&H catalogs, but not in person. It's stamped Size C, which makes me curious. That specification usually describes the length of piston travel, with B considered a short stroke (soft stone) and D considered a long stroke (hard stone) in regards to stone carving hammers. This original design 100+yr old hand machine I have here is stamped Size A, but I haven't carved with it. They made a variety of air motors for the stone and similar industries- including some for scary work that modern day OSHA doesn't tolerate. Long before OSHA, the granite cutters Union in Barre helped make that so...

Very Cool planishing hammer. I would love to have one, just to have one. But I haven't got that much unneeded & unused $$ at present...

Edit- corrected details regarding letter Size and name of Tool vs Hammer
Hi Cliff,
Berry good report on the T&H contributions to the pneu hammer world.
Yes, T&H still have drawings of some of the old pneu-ham parts they used to make, 1920's ++.
I have an old 1930's Dallett, gotten with a pile of old riv-guns. Rebuilt all of the guns to good hitters - never quite got the love of the Dallett design, so it sits yet in the attic.
Wonderful that the family still runs T&H. Had several conversations with Mr. Ackley over the years. They sure make nice parts.
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Old 05-31-2022, 06:22 PM
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if it is the same hammer as the one on eBay, then I believe it is a Rams Head, just missing the badge. My early Rams Head's motor is made by Barre.





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Hi Cliff,
Berry good report on the T&H contributions to the pneu hammer world.
Yes, T&H still have drawings of some of the old pneu-ham parts they used to make, 1920's ++.
I have an old 1930's Dallett, gotten with a pile of old riv-guns. Rebuilt all of the guns to good hitters - never quite got the love of the Dallett design, so it sits yet in the attic.
Wonderful that the family still runs T&H. Had several conversations with Mr. Ackley over the years. They sure make nice parts.
Norm is a great guy. He would stop by the studio occasionally while was apprenticing and later carving. T&H is a very unique operation, one of the few that is still "real old fashion". They have made updates, but it's still a made by hand program.

The only grumble heard among those of us who know the old hand machines- the Rockland Maine Bicknell hand machines were often preferred over the same T&H hand machines for carving. Supposedly tolerances were not as tight at Bicknell, so they felt softer when running and were more tractable for finer carving work while still being a full stroke hard stone hand machine. When Bicknell ceased manufacturing, T&H started making them for Bicknell and stamping them Bicknell Elberton Georgia. But in the process, T&H supposedly fixed the loose tolerance issue... Now there's no functional difference, except that T&H doesn't offer a fingertip design in 3/4" D. They only offer a Dallet or Cuturi style in 3/4 D. You buy a Bicknell to get that design.

Every once in a while you'll find an old Bicknell 3/4 D that isn't worn out yet. They're fun while they last, be sure if you rebuild them (via T&H...) they'll likely come back tight and harsh.

T&H used to offer a muffler kit including service to spot face the exhaust port & install a threaded manifold port for an exhaust hose. The hose only needs to long enough to run out the nearest window or into the ceiling, instead of attaching a canister as originally configured. I had one on each of my first two brand new T&H machines, reclaimed from the last two old mufflered machines my sculptor had. There's a trade-off of no longer being able to modulate exhaust air with finger to fine tune hammer performance but the noise reduction is amazing, especially when you're running a machine for 6-8 hrs/day. It's a custom feature worth considering for anyone constructing a planishing machine with an appropriate single port exhaust air motor.
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Norm is a great guy. He would stop by the studio occasionally while was apprenticing and later carving. T&H is a very unique operation, one of the few that is still "real old fashion". They have made updates, but it's still a made by hand program.

The only grumble heard among those of us who know the old hand machines- the Rockland Maine Bicknell hand machines were often preferred over the same T&H hand machines for carving. Supposedly tolerances were not as tight at Bicknell, so they felt softer when running and were more tractable for finer carving work while still being a full stroke hard stone hand machine. When Bicknell ceased manufacturing, T&H started making them for Bicknell and stamping them Bicknell Elberton Georgia. But in the process, T&H supposedly fixed the loose tolerance issue... Now there's no functional difference, except that T&H doesn't offer a fingertip design in 3/4" D. They only offer a Dallet or Cuturi style in 3/4 D. You buy a Bicknell to get that design.

Every once in a while you'll find an old Bicknell 3/4 D that isn't worn out yet. They're fun while they last, be sure if you rebuild them (via T&H...) they'll likely come back tight and harsh.

T&H used to offer a muffler kit including service to spot face the exhaust port & install a threaded manifold port for an exhaust hose. The hose only needs to long enough to run out the nearest window or into the ceiling, instead of attaching a canister as originally configured. I had one on each of my first two brand new T&H machines, reclaimed from the last two old mufflered machines my sculptor had. There's a trade-off of no longer being able to modulate exhaust air with finger to fine tune hammer performance but the noise reduction is amazing, especially when you're running a machine for 6-8 hrs/day. It's a custom feature worth considering for anyone constructing a planishing machine with an appropriate single port exhaust air motor.
Wow - that last snippet is gold, Cliff. "single port exhaust air motor."
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